Truly disappointing. Serial range could be wrong as well but, I cant see them. There are some very knowledgeable and experienced folk here and you can trust their deduction. No habaki. View cart for details. The overall length is approximately 38 inches in the scabbard. A real shooter with aim. There are two NCO late stage on Ebay now. IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. If the blade is not sharp all the way to the habaki does not assure it is a WW II era blade, but is They are getting better with the Kokura cannonballs, but this one - the lines are to thin, the balls too big. Some of these bone swords will have very low grade metal mountings, commonly with the Tokugawa mon incised into or embossed on the mountings. It will have shrunk and is likely frayed and worn. Rare 1st Type with matching numbers "4428" on blade and scabbard. There are stories that the small papers between the handle wrap (ito) and I don't want to help them any more than necessary. I liked the look of the Type 32 but all I've found was deepeeka. June 23, 2016. like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. There are over 8 obvious indications the sword is a repro dressed as a fake. Some older (Shinshinto) remounted in samurai type mounts by collectors. This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. Please see our. Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. All correct! Real swords only had flat-head screws. As the tang rusts and ages, these become progressively smoother and less distinct. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. There are collectors in China, and if they need more, they can buy them. The Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword is one of the most reproduced / faked swords in the world, be warned. Here are the expected photos of the serial numbers. Something changed in the last 6 months. There are so many. There is no historical documentation that ninja used swords which were of a special design or differed from those used by other Japanese of the period. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. by differential tempering of the blade. That's why I addressed here. All NCO swords were numbered. Sword steel of the army standard , Blade length: 83.6, Curvature: 1.35, machine made, tempering in oils, with a fuller and no Hamon, Overall length: 100.2, Made in the Tky Artillery Arsenal Type 32 Gunt is a government supply noncommissioned officer sword enacted in 1889 (August 23, Meiji 32). Funny story Paul. The reverse is also not true - if a sword is not signed does not mean it is machine made. There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. I have NO idea what that belt hanger is supposed to be. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. Free shipping. It now takes an expert to tell the difference between a Chinese $25 copy ROLEX and the real deal, right down to the automatic movement. See how many more you can pick! There are also numerous reproduction and fake Japanese swords on It has the correct arsenal markings on the hilt collar (fuchi) and blade, and the spacers (seppa) are cast and rounded, while the replicas are crudely cut. The serial number looks very short by the size of the painted over area - maybe too short. The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. This looks good from a distance, but up close the details reveal the fake. The Type 95 NCO sword is similar in appearance to officers Type 94 and Type 98 Shin-gunt military swords, but is made of lower quality materials, most notably its hilt, which is made from metal and the scabbard was similar to that of the Type 32 with a prominent drag. An excellent example of a World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword that was obviously carried in the field of combat operations. Blade is 26 1/4 inches long, with an overall length of 36 1/4inches. Collectible Japanese Katanas, Japanese WWII Swords, Japanese Straight Razor, Japanese Tea Cup; Additional site navigation. Referencing Carlo's post from last year, I also used to collect some German (for MANY years) and was quite confident in my ability to spot fakes, but I admit the quality is now off the charts (especially helmets) and it forced me totally out of that hobby. Man just crazy all the fakes and how great this sight is about telling how to spot them .many thanks for posting to help us out. Anyway, if ok, can I post some pictures to get your expert opinion on my purchase? As we have a grater passion for and preservation in mind rather then profits as a dealer does. Close up and of kissaki and bohi termination is a must. - it will reduce its value by at least 50 percent!! Cheers to Dan for bringing it to my attention. were signed simply as a way of giving more prestige to the sword even though it was machine made. Do not undertake to dis-assemble a sword unless you know what you are It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Japanese Arisaka Type 99 Last Ditch Complete Bolt With Matching Serial Numbers at the best online prices at eBay! Cut-out version brass tsuba. Something went wrong. Identification In Germany you got now only fake Gunto. The first question to be answered - is it a real sword or a modern replica or an Could this thread please get a Fake tag? Further Machine made blade is good condition. Many, many I figured it might be useful to others. Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) Type 95 NCO Shin Gunto. The collctors in China can spot the fake easily as well,and they pay more than us to get the real ones. in the hilt. The sword sheathes and draws very well, and the The scabbard is painted the correct green color, and the spacing from the top to the hanging ring is the correct 3 inches. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people, like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). That's why I addressed here. Lets hope the guys that make the fakes arent reading all this and learning what to improve. And with the wrong type stamps. Wayne i would have called bad on it, think F&G early book had balls that big, remember two diff stacked ball stamp, or not, memory, lol, i jest. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. NOTE: The following suggestions for determining whether a Japanese sword is old or new (WW II era or later) are only general guides. . more then I would pay but I'm grinch, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WW2-Japanese-Type-95-NCO-Sword/222687760837?hash=item33d93991c5:g:KZAAAOSwIJlZ6-vP, another version, price is abit high but a honest piece, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-WW2-Japanese-Shin-Gunto-NCO-Samurai-Sword-extremely-rare-variation-3/332424959489?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D48795%26meid%3D4f20fff958304da4af55f1ba88fb7e90%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222687760837&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851. Even the once "lowly" type 95 NCO sword has started to command high prices. You can post now and register later. They don't need to read the NMB daily to see if there are any tips. 2023 GriffinMilitaria.com. Military Japanese 95 Type Army Sword Samurai Katana Brass Handle ~Serial Number. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. another example where they got the product near correct but numbered it wrong. Your previous content has been restored. Didn't want to explain to much, because that sword copys get better and better. By I completely agree with Bill here. The seppa is a clear fake, and like everyone else said, the bo-hi starts too far down the blade and the tip is round (like a Nagoya). once told the facts they simply. Swords of this type were made in all sizes, from tanto to katana or tachi. June 23, 2016 in Military Swords of Japan. / scabbard has quite a bit of its original war time browning and On newer swords the file marks on the tang will be sharp and crisp. Upload or insert images from URL. Sometimes they just forget this part. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. Clear editor. It's 40 inches overall, with a 33.5" blade, and weighs roughly two to two and a half pounds, or 101cm with an 85cm blade, and about a kilo for all you metric enthusiasts. Is there visible grain (hada) in the steel of the blade? to another sword / scabbard. This sword I shared with Steve (this thread) is a very good knowledge test - the goofy belt hanger (Bruce references) made me discount the sword immediately, but on closer look (my opinion) the stamps are a bit better than the other, cheaper fakes out there on the market. You might also visit the Ohmura site and study the pictures there. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. locking mechanism works very well. Even should they be able to reproduce the sword exactly, it is not just that one should be looking at, but a series of common features in patina that are universal to genuine, old NCO. One thing I also saw while researching is the nightmare of the number of fakes out there. Bruce has politely written exactly what my reply would have been. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. tourist momentos that are commonly thought to be some special type of Japanese sword. signed or not has little to do with determining if it is handmade or the age of the blade. Greetings. All Rights Reserved. This example has a matching serial number 93225 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. The biggest giveaway are the stamps. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. The Scabbardlooks to have some paint left, however it is under the leather cover, which we have not removed, so we do not know how much still remains. Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. Sometimes they get irate. Ivory has a distinctive grain. So all of these swords are offered on egun.de, schwertshop.de and other german sellers. The NMB says so!" This is due to the method But as I have been at this for a while, I'm seeing how much better the reproductions are getting, and I realize that every bit of help they can get by reading posts like this, helps them make their fakes even better. Your previous content has been restored. I probably say this way too much BUT to flog a dead horse, the NCOs have a ton of small variations between subcontractors and between batches themselves, so just something to keep in mind. http://ohmura-study.net/790.html. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout WW2. The serial number should be near the bottom of the blade, just above the habaki. Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. Shamsy The brown paint on the hilt has mostly worn away, as it did not really stick well to the aluminum. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. Posted October 27, 2017 Description. Rarely is a high quality blade found in sword cane mounts; however, some of People can scoff at paranoia as much as you like but the simple fact is they are getting better, whether through study of originals or reading well intentioned post. Many people tend to believe that if a sword Otherwise that is dangerously good to newcomers or unwary collectors looking for that ebay goldmine. Overall the fit and finish is definitely far above a replica, which can be seen in the photos. There are numerous varieties of items made in the 20th Century as Most WW II era blades are not sharpened all the down to the habaki (collar). There are a few small nicks on the edge of the blade, but they are hard to photograph. Even non-mechanical artsy-fartsy stuff. The saya Based on my research the sword meets all the criteria of an authentic WWII Shin-Gunto Type 95 with one exception which is confusing me. Steves last post real or copy? It's a huge tell tale. I avoided buying into German WW2 helmets because of the fakes out there and now I've entered into another minefield. Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If there is a tang stamp (see the military sword page for examples) on the nakago, up close to the blade collar (habaki), it is a WW II era sword - these are arsenal stamps. Scabbard retains around 70% of the original paint. and scabbards were frequently separated and ended up being "married" Agree with others had to study it for a bit, since it is not an obvious reproduction - but at the end of the day, it has issues! All the best. Steel is magnetic - aluminum is not. Many modern replicas and iaito have aluminum blades. It is something I very much dread, having to carefully vet every sword I see, but that's what happens when something increases in value at a steady rate each and every year. Make the gap between the arsenal marks less! Can anyone tell me more about the sword than a cursory googling has resulted? The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. Most sword canes were produced in the late 19th Century - early 20th Century. I use it to post different and new varieties of fake 95s. Obviously I can't be sure, but that's my guess anyway. Sure, there's lots of other details like proof marks to look for, but these 5 things are just glaringly obvious and easy to see in pictures, and one or more seems to be on every single repro sword out there, so they're quick and easy ways to ID fakes. Does the blade show a true temper line (hamon)? I recently took the plunge and made my first Japanese sword purchase. The blade on this copy above is not made bad in my opinion and it becomes better. swords may likewise not be sharpened down to the habaki; however, most WW II swords were not. I'm not going to go into details. The aluminium hilt / tsuka has good amounts of its Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. The type and color of the rust is used to help date and to authenticate the blade. General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. But it would really help to see that. Sorry for the bad news. Opens in a new window or tab. I really would have liked better pictures of the fuchi in light and the serial numbers, but I am very confident this is a well made reproduction. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Always check. Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. Press J to jump to the feed. About 80,000 of the Ko sabers were produced between 1899 and 1936, with the lowest reported serial number being 1175 and the highest one being 83390. As I said in the other NCO topic. They are unfortunately getting pretty good now. Writing about whatever interests me, and maybe you. There are some Chinese replicas of these out there, however this sword is definitely genuine. Required fields are marked *. Yeah I guess Japanese military swords don't get much attention from the well known names. The serial number on the throat of the scabbard, 65830 matches that of the blade. WWII Japanese Army Type 95 Tokyo Arsenal NCO Shin-Gunto Sword $ 895.00 A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. collectors often have a higher knowledge base then dealers, and a higher respect for items and there history. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. Also, they definitely like those brass tsukas, don't they! . If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. The saya/scabbard number should be on the top of the scabbard, where it's covered when the sword is sheathed. Consult someone who is trained in tsuka-maki if you need to have a handle re-built. (NOTE: Some swords may have two mekugi - one near the guard and the other near the end of the hilt. NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. age of a Japanese sword, seek advice from a reputable collector. WW2 Imperial Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword, sold In good condition and with matching sword vs scabbard serial numbers, this is a 100% guaranteed authentic WW2 Imperial Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword / katana. . sword clubs in many cities. DO NOT UNWRAP THE HANDLE! Here is a decent fake Stu W. posted over on WAF. They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. is signed, that it must be hand made. Today I checked, just in case the sword was pulled from sale, and lo and behold there is a 'rare copper handle' now listed, clearly of the same manufacturer. One, they aren't in the correct range. I searched into the rest of the Japanese items on the site. Bone tanto and swords (see below) fall into this group. You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. Matching serial numbers 31123. no interest to Japanese sword collectors. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. This product is available for international shipping. on a single criteria. Clear editor. Seppa intergrated in the fuchi is a no go here. You cannot paste images directly. National Guard Marksmanship Training Center. In very good condition, an early WW2 1935M (Type 95) Japanese Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. I just want an accurate reproduction. There are numerous Mauser 99 in post 15 look to the scabbard throat and you should see the brass sleeve visible.Also with the MountCastle example the paint still looked fresh in the overly large fake serial number on the throat..Shame really because the one that is on the site with a painted hilt but marked sold is a real one,and nice too ! Most swords do not have matching . at the best online prices at eBay! The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords and scabbards were frequently . This is a very scarce and important very early production Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Sword. Have always thought the comments about not tipping off the forgers are just plain silly.I still do.The image of some rough factory in China where they are turning these outand some guy on a computer somewhere shouting out in Chinese into the factory "Hey guys! antique blades were left unsigned or have had their signatures (mei) lost over time. Please consider starting a new thread rather than reviving this one, unless your post is really relevant and adds to the topic.. This is pure fiction. Sincerely, Eugene Quote vajo Gold Tier 5.8k Location:Germany / Bavaria Name: Chris Sch. Newer swords will have a grey, metallic tang perhaps with a little red rust. Second the Font isn't even close. A lot of people buy it and some weeks later you can buy it as a original NCO Sword.. The serial #'s are the best place to focus IMHO. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. 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What a bunch of junk. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. Never use force to remove the handle.) WW II era swords will show prominent grain (hada). I opted for the lower end of the market and went for a Type 95 (this is all new to me and only found this out through google) NCO Shin Gunto. That is not true. You cannot re-wrap the hilt with the silk cord that was removed. Look at the bohi at the kissaki and the arsenal marks are terrible! Original Item: Only One Available. You may severely injure yourself and/or damage the sword. These take that shape of various dragon figures, Japanese peasants, fish etc. I would recommend you check with your original person who raised the concern about it's originality. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. The blade is quite bright and, while there are some scratches and spots, there are no cracks, chips, or rust. I'm not trying to be rude, but we don't know you and your authenticity in your posted reasons to be here. They sell it for 165 EUR everywhere. When in doubt, check the blade with a magnet. The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off NEVER CLEAN THE TANG OF A JAPANESE SWORD OR TAMPER WITH IT IN ANY WAY!!! The Kokura Arsenal did not produce any Type 95 Shin Gunto but over-saw the production of these swords so its identification stamp is often found on Type 95 swords. I'll be an optimist Did he say to use as the basis for copies? late, now sold). T95 NCO swords had copper hilts, or later, aluminum ones, never brass. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. It is terrible. NCO copper tsuka (handle) that is actually painted on top of the handle, I have not seen that before. This is a fake for at least two obvious reasons : 1- copper hilted type 95's, or 1st generation T-95's are very scarce and have only 4 digits serial numbers (around 6000 produced). Scabbard in very nice condition. antique or of recent vintage. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. The grip still retains much of its brown paint, being approximately 70% intact, and the golden yellow paint on the cherry blossom menuki is approximately 50% intact. For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. Katana | HEAVY Cutter For HEAVY Targets. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. the rayskin (same') are prayer papers to protect the soldier in battle. Most handmade After that I heard nothing. Showing an average amount of wear throughout, this Japanese Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto is a beautiful example throughout. The process of tsuka-maki (handle wrapping) is quite complicated. Well am hoping mine is genuine - also just realised I should've actually started my own thread - apologies, Great lets see what you got, in your own post lol. I ask you to help in determining the authenticity of the sword. It's also really interesting that it looks like the original serial numbers on the scabbard and blade matched before they were ground. Please see our. These were made as tourist items from the 1870's through the 1930's. China has a rising group of wealthy individuals who are buying up cars, gold, realeatate, antiques and art at an alarming rate. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). WW II era swords have been put into shirasaya or This is a blatant fake, which you should keep well away from. I am extremely thankful for the help/knowledge shared in this forum. I am not sure why the serial numbers are covered? Pasted as rich text. A real hamon During the WW II era, many machine made blades Tokyo First Arsenal blade numbers. Does anyone know if theres a production dating list for the different manufacturers of the type 95 nco swords ? The best place to look is at the serial Numbers. Most of the Gun News That is Fit to Print! Learn how your comment data is processed. Obvious two issues are the scabbard pattern and additional screw. The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. This sword has a cast aluminium tsuka (hilt) with an approximately 10mm thick ornate aoi-shaped brass tsuba (guard). will show tiny dots/specks (nioi and/or nie) along and between the border of the hamon and the rest of the blade. I'm reposting the pictures of the fake pattern 5 that Stegel provided in the wooden handled topic just to have them all together. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officer's sword. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. I offered to send photos or provide opinions from experienced collector's. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. I'm not an expert on Japanese swords, so I'll be glad with the maximum information on this Type 95. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. None of the replicas have this feature. The above items are only a general guide. WW II era machine made swords have an etched temper line, not a true temper line (hamon) made Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. Replica swords and many Vice versa, antique blades are occassionally found An etched temper line will be seen as a smooth cloud lacking any internal features. View cart for details. This thread is quite old. There are strategies in place with most countries Customs and Border protection to seize and destroy fake watches, handbags, CD's DVD's etc, but swords are not even on the RADAR. This one really annoys me. I forgot to point out that inside the scabbard there are wooden inserts.

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